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December 15, 2008

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Cem Sertoglu

Interesting. And the possibilities are not limited to just language analytics. There's quite a bit of work in determining emotions (as well as stress levels, etc.) in speech. (see http://courses.media.mit.edu/2004spring/mas630/04.projects/zeynep_ron/) If we had audio clips of Madoff, could a machine tell that he has lying? I'd love to put this up agains political rhetoric. Remember weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? :)

Me

I believe the main problem is very far from detecting lies. We may be able to detect lies perfectly one day, but i'm not sure that will be a solution. The main problem is very simple : to be able to predict the right thing for us, or even more simply, to predict that something will be good/useful/profitable or bad for us. This financial crisis seems to be much bigger than a total of few schemes. Using Cem's example; the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq may or may not be true (even though they couldn't find any, it doesn't mean there wasn't any), but did saying they exist and making the operation help? From the liberated (at least, from Saddam) Iraqis point of view, it helped. From the army's point of view, they did found some bad guys over there, so it helped. But financially, billions of dollars, which could be very useful to help the economy and fund the officials to find the schemers (the funds were cut down after 2001 for these departments), were spent, so it didn't help. And a good economy indeed would be helpful to catch the bad guys, so it didn't help. Such dilemmas exist for the economy. Although there are some mathematical analysis such as game theory to help, there aren't any exact solutions, and you can't use data before creating the algorithm.

baris

Excellent points. If I read you right, you are saying that if you don't know what's right for you, what good is it to know who is lying. True.

But if you flip that around, wouldn't it be good to know what is a lie and what isn't to help you figure out what's right?

marty

I think it was Malcolm Gladwell who also argued that Asian languages are more suitable for children to learn the numbers quicker (i.e. not only are numbers very short and mono-syllabic sounds, but also all you need to learn as a child is around ten numbers/words and the rest is adding them up; for instance seventy-four is seven tens and four, or fifteen is one ten and five, etc), effectively making them better at math at younger ages than their English speaking peers worldwide.

marty

A quick response to the Iraqi comment: for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that were killed since the US-led invasion in 2003 (some estimates go above one million people), it definitely didn't help.

Me

I agree that it would be good to know what is a lie, but it will only marginally help us figure out what's right, because everybody lies even if it's good for all. The art of persuasion is almost identical to lying, and it has to be. People don't want change, and we already established that we don't even know what's right for us. So if you have an idea of a good thing (it can be good for just you or everyone), you have to lie and this is probably why English is probably the language most suited for deception. You can see examples of this everywhere: from detergent ads claiming it provides "whiter than white", to politicians. Most people believe Ataturk deceived people into founding a republic and secularism. If it was deception, it was a necessary one and it would be bad if people found out it was a lie. On the other hand, Hitler believed in what he was saying, so he wasn't even lying. Therefore even if you do have the best detergent (killing all the bacteria), you may have to lie.(and offer "whiter than white") In such conditions, detecting lies can hardly help.

Baris Aksoy

I recently came across a really interesting book on this topic: Numerati by Stephen Baker. It discusses building predictive mathematical models of people, privacy issues, and bunch of other thought proving topics.

Another application of such detection technologies is currently being used in brand monitoring for companies and agencies. There are bunch of innovative companies working on sentiment extraction, etc. using complex semantic based algorithms.

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